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nwhikerThe recent campaign against fat people borrows two concepts that are usually embodied by the Republicans:
1. The cruelty is the point.
2. I'm ok living under a bridge as long as the Black guy over there also lives under a bridge, and that my bridge is nicer than his.
Not saying the slagging on the fatties is the same as racism, only that the people doing it just want to make sure there is someone more miserable, hungry, and despised than they are.
Some background, using a few examples from the last few years to set the stage.
1. Diet soda. The constant whine of lies that are "based" on tortured data. From "aspartame is toxic" to "even though there is no sugar, the body reacts as if there were", and the best one, imo: the data a few years ago that showed a small but significant increase in strokes in women who drank diet soda. OMG, diet soda is gonna give you a stroke... but if you read the study, you'd see a slightly larger and significant rate of strokes in women who drank... regular soda. But the diet soda angle was the only one all over the media. It's not about keeping fat people safe from the evils of aspartame. It's about demonizing one of the very rare things a fat person can have without diet-busting consequences, guilt-free. Taking away a small pleasure and making it somehow bad and evil. I mean, these are the same people who will have parties offering four or five alcoholic drinks, several kinds of high end sugared soda, and not a single diet offering, beyond water. Or, if they're feeling particularly generous, one of those revolting flavored fizzy waters.
2. The OMG, fat people are so slobbish, look at those clothes they're choosing to wear... I mean, who needs sequins to make their fat bellies look even bigger? And why do they always wear polyester? Cheap slobs.... but also... OMG, some company is actually making stylish clothes for fatties, without sequins and in natural fabrics?! No, stop it, that's going to encourage the fatties to stay fat!
3. The constant drone of gastric bypass -removing 90% of a healthy organ- is the "easy way out".
I won't go into the whole "shame them thin" people, the mocking people, the ones who barely hide their disgust, the only who don't bother to hide their disgust, the ones who dehumanize and demean. What I'm trying to point out is that... fat people can't win, and must always, because we're self-indulgent slobs who've pre-eaten all our calories, be denied anything that tastes good, even if it's diet soda.
And now... well now there appears to be several medications that might actually help fat people lose some weight. The meds are expensive but appear to work. The side effects are minimal.
One who think that all the "health trollers", the "I don't hate fat people, I'm just concerned about their health" would welcome such a development. Nope, NSM. That's when it becomes clear that the cruelty is, in fact, the point here too, and that making sure some other group of people is unhappy is part of their agenda.
Just in the past few months as the data is becoming more clear and more people are getting access to these drugs three major lines of attack have emerged, the most recent just this past week.
1. That these are DRUGS OMG THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WHOLE LIFE OR THE WEIGHT COMES BACK. Umm, duh? Most medication for a chronic condition has to be taken for ever, or the condition comes back, so eh. Plus... for many fat people, the haters preferred method of weight loss (if it even works long term), diet and exercise, aka eat less move more also has to be sustained for a life time as well. It's not sustainable, especially since the body fights those food restrictions with every wily trick it has. But the clamor from the concern trolls shows loud and clear that it was never about caring about anyone's health, it was just as excuse for hate, and this is just one avenue to hate more.
2. The implication that this is the easy way out. It is not. I'm not talking about side effects, self-injections, and the cost... I'm talking about the fact that even with these meds, you still have to limit calories and exercise. People aren't sitting down to meals of rib-eye steaks, baked potatoes with all the fixings, butter-drenched green beans, and a dessert of cheesecake, with cocktails before, wine during, and brandy and a lavish coffee drink after, injecting their meds, and losing weight. What these meds do (in part) is change the brain's messaging about fullness and the drive to eat when one is on a weight loss diet, allowing people to actually, well, eat less long term.
3. The shortage of the drugs. The drugs that have been working for weight loss (semaglutide and its ilk) were initially developed for diabetes. The dosage from weight loss is, iirc, twice as large as that for diabetes. There have been shortages of these drugs... prompting multiple stories about how all those fatties getting their easy-way-out drugs were essentially condemning diabetics to DEATH. Note that the problem appears to be doctors prescribing Ozempic (the diabetes drug) off label. Wegovy is the same drug in "weight loss dosage" and it appears to also be in short supply. So, eh, seems like a Novo Nordisk/supply chain issue rather than those evil fatties killing off diabetics: remember, all of these medications are by Rx only. This is not asshole buying up every last disinfectant wipe at the start of the pandemic, or even Ivermectin. It's people who also have a need for those drugs asking doctors for an Rx. And anyone who doesn't think there is a pressing need for people not to interrupt treatment has never lived through a phase of weight regain. A few months interruption, for many fatties who need these drugs can mean all the work of previous months wiped away, from a weight loss perspective, probably with any benefit the weight loss brought on (lower bp for some etc). Yeah, I know, not the same as a brittle diabetic, and I'm not comparing the two. Just saying that it isn't the case of dire need on one side and vanity prescription on the other. But yeah, talk to Novo Nordisk before blaming the fatties.
4. And the most recent. Ozempic face. This is what happens to your fatties when you take the easy way out and try to lose weight, to attain the superior state that the naturally thin of course deserve: you get a gaunt, old looking face. Ha ha ha fatties! First of all,... yeah, when you lose weight, skin tends to get loose. But this? The reporting is breathless, as if 20-year-olds were all of a sudden looking 80, and the glee that this is happening is barely hidden. It's the same phenomenon as the diet coke: we don't want you disgusting fatties to have anything nice, to ever get the easy way out, and ha ha, Ozempic face. You might be thin(ner) but you look like an ugly old hag, LOL!
The patterns are repetitive and upsetting.
For the record, a good article on the drugs etc: The future of weight loss.
1. The cruelty is the point.
2. I'm ok living under a bridge as long as the Black guy over there also lives under a bridge, and that my bridge is nicer than his.
Not saying the slagging on the fatties is the same as racism, only that the people doing it just want to make sure there is someone more miserable, hungry, and despised than they are.
Some background, using a few examples from the last few years to set the stage.
1. Diet soda. The constant whine of lies that are "based" on tortured data. From "aspartame is toxic" to "even though there is no sugar, the body reacts as if there were", and the best one, imo: the data a few years ago that showed a small but significant increase in strokes in women who drank diet soda. OMG, diet soda is gonna give you a stroke... but if you read the study, you'd see a slightly larger and significant rate of strokes in women who drank... regular soda. But the diet soda angle was the only one all over the media. It's not about keeping fat people safe from the evils of aspartame. It's about demonizing one of the very rare things a fat person can have without diet-busting consequences, guilt-free. Taking away a small pleasure and making it somehow bad and evil. I mean, these are the same people who will have parties offering four or five alcoholic drinks, several kinds of high end sugared soda, and not a single diet offering, beyond water. Or, if they're feeling particularly generous, one of those revolting flavored fizzy waters.
2. The OMG, fat people are so slobbish, look at those clothes they're choosing to wear... I mean, who needs sequins to make their fat bellies look even bigger? And why do they always wear polyester? Cheap slobs.... but also... OMG, some company is actually making stylish clothes for fatties, without sequins and in natural fabrics?! No, stop it, that's going to encourage the fatties to stay fat!
3. The constant drone of gastric bypass -removing 90% of a healthy organ- is the "easy way out".
I won't go into the whole "shame them thin" people, the mocking people, the ones who barely hide their disgust, the only who don't bother to hide their disgust, the ones who dehumanize and demean. What I'm trying to point out is that... fat people can't win, and must always, because we're self-indulgent slobs who've pre-eaten all our calories, be denied anything that tastes good, even if it's diet soda.
And now... well now there appears to be several medications that might actually help fat people lose some weight. The meds are expensive but appear to work. The side effects are minimal.
One who think that all the "health trollers", the "I don't hate fat people, I'm just concerned about their health" would welcome such a development. Nope, NSM. That's when it becomes clear that the cruelty is, in fact, the point here too, and that making sure some other group of people is unhappy is part of their agenda.
Just in the past few months as the data is becoming more clear and more people are getting access to these drugs three major lines of attack have emerged, the most recent just this past week.
1. That these are DRUGS OMG THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WHOLE LIFE OR THE WEIGHT COMES BACK. Umm, duh? Most medication for a chronic condition has to be taken for ever, or the condition comes back, so eh. Plus... for many fat people, the haters preferred method of weight loss (if it even works long term), diet and exercise, aka eat less move more also has to be sustained for a life time as well. It's not sustainable, especially since the body fights those food restrictions with every wily trick it has. But the clamor from the concern trolls shows loud and clear that it was never about caring about anyone's health, it was just as excuse for hate, and this is just one avenue to hate more.
2. The implication that this is the easy way out. It is not. I'm not talking about side effects, self-injections, and the cost... I'm talking about the fact that even with these meds, you still have to limit calories and exercise. People aren't sitting down to meals of rib-eye steaks, baked potatoes with all the fixings, butter-drenched green beans, and a dessert of cheesecake, with cocktails before, wine during, and brandy and a lavish coffee drink after, injecting their meds, and losing weight. What these meds do (in part) is change the brain's messaging about fullness and the drive to eat when one is on a weight loss diet, allowing people to actually, well, eat less long term.
3. The shortage of the drugs. The drugs that have been working for weight loss (semaglutide and its ilk) were initially developed for diabetes. The dosage from weight loss is, iirc, twice as large as that for diabetes. There have been shortages of these drugs... prompting multiple stories about how all those fatties getting their easy-way-out drugs were essentially condemning diabetics to DEATH. Note that the problem appears to be doctors prescribing Ozempic (the diabetes drug) off label. Wegovy is the same drug in "weight loss dosage" and it appears to also be in short supply. So, eh, seems like a Novo Nordisk/supply chain issue rather than those evil fatties killing off diabetics: remember, all of these medications are by Rx only. This is not asshole buying up every last disinfectant wipe at the start of the pandemic, or even Ivermectin. It's people who also have a need for those drugs asking doctors for an Rx. And anyone who doesn't think there is a pressing need for people not to interrupt treatment has never lived through a phase of weight regain. A few months interruption, for many fatties who need these drugs can mean all the work of previous months wiped away, from a weight loss perspective, probably with any benefit the weight loss brought on (lower bp for some etc). Yeah, I know, not the same as a brittle diabetic, and I'm not comparing the two. Just saying that it isn't the case of dire need on one side and vanity prescription on the other. But yeah, talk to Novo Nordisk before blaming the fatties.
4. And the most recent. Ozempic face. This is what happens to your fatties when you take the easy way out and try to lose weight, to attain the superior state that the naturally thin of course deserve: you get a gaunt, old looking face. Ha ha ha fatties! First of all,... yeah, when you lose weight, skin tends to get loose. But this? The reporting is breathless, as if 20-year-olds were all of a sudden looking 80, and the glee that this is happening is barely hidden. It's the same phenomenon as the diet coke: we don't want you disgusting fatties to have anything nice, to ever get the easy way out, and ha ha, Ozempic face. You might be thin(ner) but you look like an ugly old hag, LOL!
The patterns are repetitive and upsetting.
For the record, a good article on the drugs etc: The future of weight loss.
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Date: 2 Feb 2023 20:52 (UTC)It's just the constant annoying drone of mixed messages, of both "you're gross we don't want to see you, or, really, for you to exist" AND "OMG, you're taking the East Way Out, you lazy bitch" that gets on my nerves.